To call or not to call ?

[Danielle Angel]

I was faced with this hand which could have destroyed my tournament chances. To call or not to call is the question. Losing would almost destroy what stack I had built and usually I call and find myself up against AA KK QQ AK and flop out lol. Would everyone call or fold in this position ?

I will post what I actually did (fold or called ) after some opinions. ;)

[Slinky]

Insta call IMHO as everyone else folded... no question :p

[Danielle Angel]

what if you were playing for a million dollars ? would you still have ?

[Slinky]

Even more so :p its a coin flip .. about 53% fav to win.. that'll do me ;)

[mustardeggs]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,243,132,704 games 0.002 secs 621,566,352,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.664% 39.02% 00.64% 485071956 8010294.00 { 44+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 60.336% 59.69% 00.64% 742040160 8010294.00 { JJ }


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[mustardeggs]

even with a tighter range u have about 55% equity considering how much money is already in the pot u cant ever fold here

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

811,632,096 games 0.005 secs 162,326,419,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.948% 44.14% 00.81% 358234548 6578844.00 { 77+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 55.052% 54.24% 00.81% 440239860 6578844.00 { JJ }


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1,243,132,704 games 0.002 secs 621,566,352,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.664% 39.02% 00.64% 485071956 8010294.00 { 44+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 60.336% 59.69% 00.64% 742040160 8010294.00 { JJ }

[Slinky]

Even more so :p its a coin flip .. about 53% fav to win.. that'll do me ;)

Ahh delete my posts lol i saw the hand i was calculating the odds to win!

[Danielle Angel]

so do I post my result ? It seems confirmed that a fold was not in order lol

[Matti Doogs]

you must deffinately call, calling a low stack all in with 2.5/1 value in the pot, you must instacall that hand IMO

[Degen]

You are getting over 2.5:1...this is a snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap call. The real question is, which hands would be a fold here. I can't think of many...

[Degen]

97s=Call? Dunno, I think I do
55=Call
JTs=Call
AJ=Call

ya, pretty much call everything in this spot. Pot odds and the fact that you wont be dead if you lose are teh keyz

[Degen]

Also with 15 BB's you might just want to open shove here so you don't have to deal with this situation. What would suck is two calls and a flop of AQ5

[Buldermar]

I can't think of a single hand that I would raise to 4x BB in early pos after a limp UTG, then fold to a 10,5x BB reraise. Even if you know you are facing a tight player you are getting waaaaaaay too good pot odds to fold. You have to pay 5200 to win 13600, you are getting 2,6 to 1 in pot odds. This means you should call with any pair including 22 and any 2 high cards being JToff or better (which is basically any hand you would possibly raise with in that position)

JJ wins 59.20% of the time against a top 10% hand. AKs wins 58.29% of the time against a top 10% hand while AKoff wins 56.24% of the time against a top 10% hand. These calculations are based on a personal table of rankings of 169 two-card combinations with 7-7 being the worst of the top 10% hands.
Even if you put him on a top 5% hand, calling is the right move. Would you hesitate calling with AKs? If not then you should definately call with JJ.

[Buldermar]

97s=Call? Dunno, I think I do
55=Call
JTs=Call
AJ=Call


I would probably fold 97s to a really tight player but call a play I don't have a read on because of the unique pot odds.
55 is an insta-call, even against a tight player.
JTs is also an insta-call along with AJoff.

[Danielle Angel]

There has been no discussion for about 5 days, so I decided to post the results of the hand. I was very hesitant to call as I was worried about facing AA AK AQ KK QQ and being almost killed. Regardless I called and here is the outcome.

The all in raiser showed AK Spades. I can't find the screen shot atm nor remember the flop, turn or river. Regardless my JJ stood up and I won the hand :D.

[Danielle Angel]

28

Located the screen shot result

[Jofster71]

Post the result........you must have called....and been beat!
Although there's no doubt, you have to call in this position everytime.....

[Mlubin]

you should definitely be snap calling here. There really shouldnt be much that you are raising in early position that you are folding to a raise unless you have some sick reads on the person and even then it is tough.

[Mlubin]

also to add one more thing with the raiser only having 10 big blinds his shoving range should be wide enough where you are a decent favorite over his range.

[driverx]

well I would call that in your position ... even if you were beaten in the end you could continue in the tournament with lesser stack ... everything else was said above :)

[LiveStraddle]

I think your position in relation to average stack, how many players left and how far into the money (or near the bubble) you are, would be relevant to answer this question, aswell as any reads on the player.

[Matti Doogs]

I think your position in relation to average stack, how many players left and how far into the money (or near the bubble) you are, would be relevant to answer this question, aswell as any reads on the player.

Wow just when i thought u had no hope you say something that makes perfect sense and I agree fully Livestraddle, def agree that you need to consider all these situations as each will have an effect on whether it is right to make the call, you situation at the beginning of a tourney may require a different decision as to later on in the game. Obv on the bubble you are going to want to stay out of any hands that you are not very confident of taking down, get in the money first and then make you way up. Saying that JJ in the pkt is a great starting hand and is most likely going to be played hard pre flop on most occasions especially seeing you made the first raise, you were obv confident and not likely to fold from then on in, def made the right call not knowing any other info..