Bad Play ?

[RidderRap]

Hi all..

I would like your opinion about this hand-..

in a mtt where blinds was 400/800.. my stack was 5315... I was in 1st position with QJs (diamonds).. Raised to 1600..3rd position and sb called...

flop: 9d, 4d, Qs..

I moved allin... got called by the guy in 3rd pos with Qc, Kc and got no help on the board...

we was prety close to the money.

Was there anything you think i should have done different and why ?

(The guy in 3rd pos. had a few hands earlier called my raise with K10s... i raised 3½ x BB with AQs..He hit a flush to my toppair)

Imo i played it right but please post your comments :)

[Degen]

hej,

the only question here is whether or not to shove all in pre flop. were there 9 players at the table? i miiiight fold here with 6.5 bb's with 9 players. depends how close to the money, how big the other stacks are, how the table is playing etc.

however this is the only decision in the hand. i think though if you decide to play the hand you should just shove all in. if you have less than 10 BB's you should just stick it all in pre-flop. if somebody raises you here before the flop you would be pot-committed to make the call, so better to shove it in first and hope they all fold.

on the flop there is absolutely no decision. you flopped a monster. get it in.

[Slinky]

Depending on the type of players here i'm folding in that position if its a 9/10 seater.. Unless its a very tight table (which they can be close to bubble)! But if i do go with this hand i'm definately allin pre..lump it in like WD says! On a 6 seater i'd deffo go allin with it...

[RidderRap]

yep... there were 9 players...pretty tight table... i busted as number 43 and there was money to 30.... but of course i should have folded or went allin pre.... thx for your comments, always nice to hear others opinion. :)

[glob1212]

With about 7bb and QJ in early position absolutely agree with WD, shove allin or fold.

[Frydenholm1]

Sitting at the table I would probably have done the same as you RidderRap, but analysing from this pleasant distance I have to agree with WD: All or nothing (for me it would have been nothing then).

[Danielle Angel]

Sitting at the table I would probably have done the same as you RidderRap, but analysing from this pleasant distance I have to agree with WD: All or nothing (for me it would have been nothing then).

Glad you said that :) I am with you, I would have done the same but looking from here it makes perfect sense the perfect play in this scenario would be all in. ..... In saying this can someone buy me a miniature ~WD~ to sit on my shoulder while I play :D :D :D

[mustardeggs]

I agree I think you should shove here with QJd.

[Mlubin]

There is nothing that you can do postflop given the stack sizes you have to get it in. By first position you mean UTG if so i think you can fold pre flop as there are to many people behind you for it to be an equitable shove.

[LiveStraddle]

in a mtt where blinds was 400/800.. my stack was 5315... I was in 1st position with QJs (diamonds).. Raised to 1600..3rd position and sb called...

This is bad. Min raising under the gun with 6.5bb??? Shove or fold, what are you achieving with a min raise, you dont want to gain value from the hand post flop, you want a hand that can take down blinds and antes aswel as having some equity value from a villains calling range. I fold this utg b/c the majority that calls us has us dominated/crushed or flipping, none of these are optimal.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.588% 35.06% 00.53% 71437428 1077267.50 { QdJd }
Hand 1: 64.412% 63.88% 00.53% 130172213 1077267.50 { 77+, ATs+, KQs, ATo+, KJo+ }

Thats a rough evaluation of his range and shows what bad shape you are in if called

[Degen]

Good analysis but I think 77+ is pretty tight. Hero had 6BB's, I imagine he is calling the smaller pairs and probably some weaker aces as well. We can also probably take AA,KK,QQ,AK out of his range greater than 50% of the time, as he would likely 3-bet these.

[LiveStraddle]

Good analysis but I think 77+ is pretty tight. Hero had 6BB's, I imagine he is calling the smaller pairs and probably some weaker aces as well. We can also probably take AA,KK,QQ,AK out of his range greater than 50% of the time, as he would likely 3-bet these.

The pokerstove valuations, were for if qj suited would have been correct to shove pf as that was the villain's calling range. But yes had it been for the hand i think a lot of those would have been 3b all in.

[WK83]

i would definitely shove preflop. i hate playing QJ A10, ect.... but in a tourney at that pint less then 10X the BB its all in or fold. you were huge on the flop but your opening the door to chance if you let them in cheap.