What to do?

[driverx]

SNG, 8 players remaining in the game. There is a chip leader with about 4000 chips, the rest has around 1400 chips including me.

Chip leader is UTG, betting (2BB on 25/50 lvl) ... I got KTs so I call, everyone else folds. Flop is T26 rainbow. I am sure that I have the best pair and after he checks I bet 4BB. He calls. On turn there is a jack. He checks. I still think I have the best hand, so I bet once again 4BB. He calls. On river there is a queen. There is no chance of having flush. He bets 8BB. I fold and I lose 8BB.

Did I make any mistake? Should I go all in after flop? I assume he wasn't slowplaying some monester hand neither there was flush draw, he was imo just steeling blinds and he could afford to call my bets. Maybe he got the jacks or queens on turn or river respectively.

Is there any common advice which I should apply if I am playing vs deep stacked guy?

[Degen]

You should have checked the turn imo. You want to control the size of the pot in SNG's (and tournaments in general) since losing chips puts you in danger of busting out sooner.

I think you check the turn then probably fold the river, though maybe call if he is terrible and betting a lot.

[Degen]

And shoving the flop would have been terrible, you played the flop fine.

If you were going to value bet (http://wiki.theplayr.com/index.php?title=Value_bet) the turn you should have bet more than 4 BB into 13.5 BB's, more like 6-8 (if you had top two or AA or something). If I bet 4 into 13.5 it would only be as a 'blocking bet (http://wiki.theplayr.com/index.php?title=Blocking_bet_(Poker))' to prevent him from betting the river, giving you a cheap showdown.

[driverx]

Thanks for advice. I agree with you that I should bet more on the turn or maybe even check and try to see a cheap showdown. The sad part of this is that because of his stack he could easily raise me if I bet more on turn and force me into all-in situation which I surely didn't want to happen (even though I had probably the best pair I wouldn't call him). I wanted him to fold on flop or turn so that I would prevent myself facing another overcard on river (which actually did happen and I had to fold to his bet).

[Degen]

I should bet more on the turn or maybe even check and try to see a cheap showdown

I am saying you should absolutely check on this turn. If you had a stronger hand or were bluffing, and decided to bet, you should bet more.

he could easily raise me if I bet more on turn and force me into all-in situation

he could do this no matter how much you bet, and since you only had 2nd pair, it would be a pretty easy fold regardless of how you slice it.

I wanted him to fold on flop or turn so that I would prevent myself facing another overcard on river

i think you are viewing this hand all wrong. you don't want him to fold the flop, you probably have the best hand. you also don't want to turn your hand into a bluff on the turn (which is basically what you are saying you did) where he only continues if you are beat.

checking this turn is the best. you probably have the best hand but you don't want the pot to get big, because of it does, you are likely behind. i suggest you read up on pot control (http://wiki.theplayr.com/index.php?title=Pot_control_(poker)). It is a very important concept to grasp in no-limit.

[MoneyMatt1]

fold preflop imo

[Mlubin]

as wd said in different terms, you cant let the size of your hand dictate the size of your bet or your opponent will have really easy decisions against you.

also fold pre because you are definitely -ev calling full ring in a sng with k 10 suited

[driverx]

well after I read it through I agree that I should have fold it, anyways thanks for all advices, i found them very useful!

[LiveStraddle]

Chip leader is UTG, betting (2BB on 25/50 lvl) ... I got KTs so I call, everyone else folds. Flop is T26 rainbow. I am sure that I have the best pair and after he checks I bet 4BB. He calls. On turn there is a jack. He checks. I still think I have the best hand, so I bet once again 4BB. He calls. On river there is a queen. There is no chance of having flush. He bets 8BB. I fold and I lose 8BB.

WTF is this, are you gonna say why you think you have the best hand or are you just guessing.

[Mlubin]

WTF is this, are you gonna say why you think you have the best hand or are you just guessing.

top pair is the nuts obviously

[Matti Doogs]

Hey guys we are here to be constructive otherwise what is the point of your comment, obv he thought he was in front as he has said, so why does he think this????Try to help out, if you want to be a smart ar#* about it I dont want to have to read your comments, and am sure nobody else does either. Sorry but sick of people asking for help and getting treated like crap...

[Slinky]

Hey guys we are here to be constructive otherwise what is the point of your comment, obv he thought he was in front as he has said, so why does he think this????Try to help out, if you want to be a smart ar#* about it I dont want to have to read your comments, and am sure nobody else does either. Sorry but sick of people asking for help and getting treated like crap...

Well said matti..lets all spread the love and help each other after all thats what we're here for :)

[Degen]

Ya I agree, I don't mind that kind of stuff in ThePlayr Lounge or News and Gossip, but the strategy forum should be civil and constructive. If people are posting questions or answers to poker hand, whether they are right or wrong, they are learning and sharing what they know. It is great to correct them if you think they are wrong, but be respectful.

[Blobbi-San]

Yeah LiveStraddle, I think you are a little too "hard" in several of your answers. :o Not all in this forum are so good as you, but we have to learn from better plyrs:)

[LiveStraddle]

I tell it how it is, hes not going to improve if im not critical and honest

[Degen]

Just take it easy in the strategy forum please. You can be honest and critical without being rude.

[Matti Doogs]

WTF is this, are you gonna say why you think you have the best hand or are you just guessing.

How would he know he had the best hand, maybe he read the play as best as he could and obv made his best judgement call. IMO he left himself wide open and valued the other guy in, and that was his mistake however saying that I would have to agree on the flop I would consider myself prob in front or at least even. how do you win the pot from here is where we need to look, cheap turn or bet the flop harder when you look ahead? but then that is why he asked as this is where it went wrong. I personally would have pushed harder on the flop to take it down there, any caller would have given you a good idea of where you stand from there on.
I like to hear everyones opinion but please be constructive if people are asking for help as we are always trying to learn and not everyone on here is a seasoned PLAYR remember.
Good cards to all

[WK83]

well my friend, i believe the problem was the call preflop against the chip leader. if i chose to play this hand id either reraise (if i wanted to bluff my chips away) preflop, or fire about 75% of the pot on the turn. after the the jack comes you really should just let the hand go. if he had half the chips you had, bully by all means.