How to play JJ????

[Froedo]

Hello everybody.

I really really need to know. How do you guys often play pocket jacks?

The reason why I ask is. I actually lost my entire bankroll on this hand yesterday :O

5 times i recieved JJ and everytime i startet raising the hand 5xBB. And everytime I got reraised? What to do? As stupid as I was everytime i went all in. And everytime some guy holds AA. As an extra information I will defend myself by saying, these guys played really loose calling every bet i made.

Should I fold my JJ after these kinds of reraises?

The thing is. A lot of people tend to reraise with AK, AQ, AJ, AT and worse. And exactly these hands I love to be against with my JJ. But this time AA kicked me in the balls everytime

[Danielle Angel]

you tell me and we will both know, i hate JJ it sux !! Input please e1 :)

[jtb]

depends on loads of things where youre sat how big the blinds r to how much you got left, has there been a rasie before you whos rasied whos rerasied or called youre rasie whats youre table image etc etc
but id tend not to go all in pre flop then if theres no over cards on the flop try a shove but dont listen to me im skint lol

[Froedo]

Well. Let me tell you all these things :)

4 players at the table :)

Blinds are 10/20c

I have 109 dollars. The rest around 50.

First time im BB and everybody limps. I raise 5xBB next guy calls, then a reraise to around 50 dollars. I call, as this guy has done this a ton of times with Ax, 22, 33, and even 78 :O

Next guy folds and this guy shows up AA

Well. All the other times where around the same, but maybe position differs. But. Well. I'll just build a roll again :)

[K1-DK]

you raise to 1$ and he re-raises all-in for 50$ ???

i wouldnt call anything unless i had AA here. Its just not worth the risc.......

or atleast that is what i would do, when i play good... i dont need to be very card-dead or very much on tilt to call... ;) (read... yesterday PlayrLeague)

[Froedo]

Oh and about my table image :)

Tight aggressive would be my guess :)

[Danielle Angel]

Froedo, lately I pretty well suck at poker :o and admit it. But seriously mate, that has got to be the silliest thing I have ever seen on here. That is definetly not how u play JJ I know that much. What on earth did u think he had ? 22 in deuces wild ?

Please dont take offense (PROMISE) but u calling a $50 raise 49x more then your $1 raise and 250 x the BB is obscenely stupid imo. There is no way ANYONE would make a bluff like that to win a measly dollar.

Please again dont get offended by this but you better stop playing like that or you will never have a roll.

also what a fool he was to raise like that to start with. I see your point thinking surely he hasnt got a premium hand doing this shit.... regardless dont take those chances. Some people do play like that in hope that they get called :confused:

Also you had been on the table for only 4 hands as this is the first time u had been BB, you cant make judgments on this guy when you just started playing

[Froedo]

Well as said before. This guy had done it tons of time with Ax, 22, 33, and even 78. Therefore my guess was lowpar or maybe Ax as he really did it a lot. im not just talking about 1,2 or 3 times. He did it like every 3 hand or so just to steal blinds :)

I know i shouldnt have called, and normally I wouldnt call. But with this guys table image(Maniac) i did it. I would never call a raise like that playing against a fairly tight person. Im not stupid :)

Oh and i didnt mean it was my first BB. I meant it was the first time i lost with the jacks :) had been on the table a whole lot longer :)

[Danielle Angel]

ok .... thought u were only there for 4 hands, and I made a mistake .... I meant what did u think you were playing deuces wild and YOU had 22 (not him having 22 lol) /.... still the 22 in deuces wild would be suitable for this kind of re raised call. Not JJ but I am no expert, calling Buldermar, Mustardeggs, WD, MattiDoogs etc etc etc etc etc to the thread lol.

I think they will all say thats one game call !! Pity it dint pay off btw ;)

[Froedo]

Yeah. But I really have a hard time not calling, when I see a guy go all in nearly every hand with shit. :( To bad he had a great hand this time

[Degen]

This is one of those questions that is perfect for the old 'it depends'

I assume we are talking about online play? 5 big blinds seems like a lot. That shows a lot of strength in and of itself. If I opened for 5x with a big hands, and then got re-raised, this would be a warning bell. Doesn't mean you should fold but I don't think going all in over the top of this every time is a winning play.

The big thing here is to know your opponents. If you are using PokerTracker or HoldemManager and an HUD you will know how they play before the flop. If they open 35% then I'd be more inclined to get it in here. If they open 12% you might want to just flat call the raise or even :eek: pitch it before the flop.

Jacks and Queens are both tricky in that sometimes you do need to fold them before the flop, and it is always painful, but if you don't figure out when to do it you will lose a lot of money with them.

[Mlubin]

Was 5 bbs your standard opening size?

if it was in fact the standard size for you then i can understand calling this raise against a player with these tendencies but if you are under rolled for the game i think it is better to wait for a situation with less variance.

[Froedo]

Well yes you can call it standard raise, as I played only hands like 88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA and ofc AK,AQ and my favorite 78s. And most of these hands i played with a 5xBB to scare of opponents. Mostly i got called though.

For starters this strategi work fine and i was up 70 dollars or something. But these maniacs just pulled my game away. Prolly lost focus also after second or third time my JJ got faced by aces

[Mlubin]

i think if that is the case then your problem wasnt with your play which should be profitable long term against this specific opponent, your problem was just with bad bank roll management, not being properly rolled for the stakes, which is something that i often have a problem with.

[mustardeggs]

You mentioned in the OP that these people call alot, so It might very well be that there reraising range isnt very wide. Lots of people just call with AK AQ 99 TT in the lower limits wich are know to be more passive.

I really dont know much about these low Limit games but if they very passive and then you suddenly get reraised after you 5BB open you might very well pitch it.

As WD said this depends of course, in the lower Limit are also crazy aggressive playrs and maniacs against who you never should consider folding. A programm like holdem manager helps a great deal with figuering out your opponents tendencies.

[Froedo]

How much does this program cost`? I guess I have to get one as I can't quit poker and to be honest im not winning atm online. Only wins are livepoker :(

[Buldermar]

Well. Let me tell you all these things :)

4 players at the table :)

Blinds are 10/20c

I have 109 dollars. The rest around 50.

First time im BB and everybody limps. I raise 5xBB next guy calls, then a reraise to around 50 dollars. I call, as this guy has done this a ton of times with Ax, 22, 33, and even 78 :O

Next guy folds and this guy shows up AA

Well. All the other times where around the same, but maybe position differs. But. Well. I'll just build a roll again :)

If he really went all-in over the top of a 1$ raise with his whole 50$ a ton of times before, then calling with JJ was the correct move and you just got unlucky. However, if he only calls most of the time and rarely reraise then you should have insta-mucked your hand.

Firstly, raising 5BB is above the standardraise of 3BB's, so you should know that he knows this is a signal of strenght. Therefore, you should also know that it is only profitable for him to reraise all-in with 50$ with strong hands knowing you might call him.

Secondly, I wouldn't recommend your raise to 5BB's. Experienced players will just fold to your big raise unless they have a strong hand and instead steal blinds from you. I've seen good, winning players on 1/2 who raises to 4BB's but every time I watch a high-stake table the standard raise is 3BB's. Instead, try to loosen up a bit and play some more hands. It seems like you are a bit scared of postflop decisions.

Well yes you can call it standard raise, as I played only hands like 88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA and ofc AK,AQ and my favorite 78s. And most of these hands i played with a 5xBB to scare of opponents. Mostly i got called though.

For starters this strategi work fine and i was up 70 dollars or something. But these maniacs just pulled my game away. Prolly lost focus also after second or third time my JJ got faced by aces

It might be profitable to just wait for really strong holdings on low stakes, but as you move up in stake it becomes not profitable. Deception is the keyword. You can't bet accordingly to the strenght of your hand and you can't only play premium starting hands when playing cashgame. Also, maybe sit down with less of your bankroll. 100BB's should usually be enough, 200BB's if you want to be really deepstack. I don't think you really need to sit down with 500BB's, especially not if it represents most of your bankroll.

[Froedo]

Thank you for the answer Bulder. I will try to remember these things next time :)

[Danielle Angel]

Firstly, raising 5BB is above the standardraise of 3BB's, so you should know that he knows this is a signal of strenght. Therefore, you should also know that it is only profitable for him to reraise all-in with 50$ with strong hands knowing you might call him.


I think you should take a very close look particularly to this Froedo. :)

If you raised 5bb I would raise to 10 as an example then you may re raise me and I would go over the top and all in if i had AA as an example. He indicated imo a much stronger hand then you. People are donkeys but they dont want to be losing all their money mate. Please be careful :)

[K1-DK]

This is how everyone should play their JJ against me:

:D:D:D


Party Poker $25 No Limit Hold'em - 10 players - View hand 10194 (http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/10194)
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UTG+2: $27.98
MP1: $17.50
MP2: $8.33
MP3: $33.71
CO: $4.65
Hero (BTN): $33.90
SB: $11.40
BB: $5.30
UTG: $23.60
UTG+1: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A :spade: A :diamond:
3 folds, MP1 raises to $0.50, 2 folds, CO raises to $4.65 all in, Hero raises to $12.05, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $17.50 all in, Hero calls $5.45

Flop: ($40.00) 7 :spade: Q :club: Q :diamond: (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($40.00) 4 :club: (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($40.00) K :club: (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $40.00
MP1 mucks J :spade: J :heart: (two pairs, Queens and Jacks)
CO mucks J :diamond: J :club: (two pairs, Queens and Jacks)
Hero shows A :spade: A :diamond: (two pairs, Aces and Queens)
Hero wins $24.41
Hero wins $13.59
(Rake: $2.00)

[Degen]

thats what i like to see when i have aces :D

[Degen]

MP1 raises to $17.50 all in

this is how you DO NOT play Jacks. He had a pretty easy fold here.

[K1-DK]

this is how you DO NOT play Jacks. He had a pretty easy fold here.

indeed.

I actually put him on KK or QQ because he min-raised. He had QQ last time he did that

[Slinky]

Very nice k1 :D

[Parabolic SAR]

MP1 mucks J :spade: J :heart: (two pairs, Queens and Jacks)
CO mucks J :diamond: J :club: (two pairs, Queens and Jacks)
Hero shows A :spade: A :diamond: (two pairs, Aces and Queens)

You still had to sweat a flush draw (hearts or clubs) ;):D:p

[mustardeggs]

How much does this program cost`? I guess I have to get one as I can't quit poker and to be honest im not winning atm online. Only wins are livepoker :(

http://holdemmanager.net/

[K1-DK]

You still had to sweat a flush draw (hearts or clubs) ;):D:p

Actually i did sweat a lot.

On party you dont get to see the cards when all-in during cashgames, and since i put him on KK or QQ and the first raiser could be playing A-Big or a big pair also and 2 Q's and a K came i was definitly not sure i had won

[AkelaDK]

First the easy answer, you play them very carful.

Then we go to the serius stuff.

Well. Let me tell you all these things :)

4 players at the table :)

Blinds are 10/20c

I have 109 dollars. The rest around 50.

First time im BB and everybody limps. I raise 5xBB next guy calls, then a reraise to around 50 dollars. I call, as this guy has done this a ton of times with Ax, 22, 33, and even 78 :O

Next guy folds and this guy shows up AA

Well. All the other times where around the same, but maybe position differs. But. Well. I'll just build a roll again :)

First a coment about your 5xBB raise, I don't see it as a sign of suchs strenth as some of the oter poster do. The reason why is that you have 3 limpers in front of you. I always raise 3xBB + 1BB for evry limper.

With your read on him I whould have instant called too, if his range starts at 22 33 and Ax then you get the odds to call.

What I whould have done in your situation with 3 limpers, and they always call, was to chek the BB and then played the hand from the Flop, because JJ looks good but it is a hand you easy come in trouble with, especialy when there is over cards on the flop.