flopping the flush.

[WK83]

say you flop a flush, for this example the 3rd nut. how should it be played? try and get it all in on the flop "if you can", and if your beat your beat? my thoughts are currently, if you ever flop the 3rd nut to just put it in and take your chances because your probably good. (for my "all-in" examples im assuming my oppenent has a strong hand and the betting patterns have told me i will most likely get a call)

[Mlubin]

how are you planning on getting it all in? overbet shoving? or only if you have the proper opportunity to get it all in?

[Buldermar]

More info would be nice. Positions? Stacksizes? Blinds? Tournament/Cashgame? Full ring/shorthanded? Preflop action? Previous hands played with the opponent?

[mustardeggs]

basiclly just try to get as much money in as possible, just make sure u dont make it too obvious what u have. if u can get it in, do it...

[Mlubin]

also what betting patterns are you referring to since there can only be preflop action leading up to this, why do you think he is so strong?

[WK83]

live game, stake $1/$2, stack size even both around $400. opponent loose aggresive. 4 players preflop for $15 (pretty standard preflop action, hands very from AJ at best to suited connectors.) i assume he calls because A) he's a calling station B) he clearly loves to gamble (shoving on 32% draws) C) youve played with them before and they suck

[mustardeggs]

I was going to write a reply but your dont reveal any important info to give an answer wich people oin here learn something from.

Give us some reads, if you dont have any AT LEAST let us know who was the preflop agressor and what your cards are and how the board looks and what position youre sitting in.

[Mlubin]

if he loves to put it in very marginally then i dont mind making a big raise over his flop bet like making it 160-180 after he bets 40 into the pot, but does he also have a tendency to call do light as well or does he get more money in marginally on early streets. also what sort of range does he have. is he likely to have a pair and a bigger draw or will he more likely just have one pair where another of the suit will kill your action.

[Buldermar]

I can't give any reasonable advice based on the provided information. You really have to give more details about this hand and perhaps about previous hands you have played with this opponent as well.

[WK83]

sorry guys i was more or less just asking for general strategies. IE what to do with third nuts....... ill post exactly what happened tomorrow. but i purposely did not give specifics to just get a general idea of how to play flopping the 3rd nut of any hand

[mustardeggs]

this is pretty complex question swith lots of possible answers. But you should try to build a big pot for sure. Dont get stuck with slowplay

[Buldermar]

I don't really have the time to make a more thorough explination right now but I agree with mustardeggs. Your opponent can easily have many outs against you if he has the ace high flush draw or a set drawing for a full house, so you want to get more money in the pot on the flop.
Also, if you bet big, maybe pot sized, your opponent(s) might put you on a hand like 2 pair, a set etc. and call you with a pair and a smaller flush draw (hands they would check if they get a chance). If it's a tournament and you don't have more than maybe 2x pot size left a check-raise all-in might not be a bad move if you are convinced that your opponent will bet it. If you have position and your opponent checks you have to bet.
I don't think I have ever foldet 3rd nut flush on the flop before. It is very unlikely that you are beat already.

[Mlubin]

how to play when flopping the 3rd nuts is completely opponent dependent

[Degen]

if its a non paired board you should get it in on the flop every time. as in, view it at as the nuts. however you dont really want to play it super fast every time. vs some people you might want to play it show so as not to scare them away etc.

would be much easier to answer for a specific hand as stack sizes, positions and the opponents make a big difference. even if you just make a hand up, that'll be eaiser to answer.

[WK83]

okay so here we go.
1/2 live game, casino. 10 players.
(seat#/stack$) 1/$400, 2/$250, 3/$40, 4/$600, 5/$170, 6/$200, 7/$375, 8/$100, 9/$275, 10/$125.

button on seat 9. UTG (seat-2) bet $15, seat 3 & 4 call, me on 7 call, BB call.

FLOP: Qh-3h-7h

seat 1-2-3 checks.

seat 7 bet $25

BB raise to a total of $60 ($35 more to call)

seats 2-3 fold

back to me with Jh-10h......

what should i do?

[Mlubin]

its kind of a weird spot i feel that 3 betting the flop almost gives your hand away here but then again there are a lot of bad cards that can come off on the turn. Neither of the players are that deep so i would probably 3 bet the flop planning to call a shove or shove any turn that isnt a heart.

[Buldermar]

if its a non paired board you should get it in on the flop every time. as in, view it at as the nuts. however you dont really want to play it super fast every time. vs some people you might want to play it show so as not to scare them away etc.

would be much easier to answer for a specific hand as stack sizes, positions and the opponents make a big difference. even if you just make a hand up, that'll be eaiser to answer.

I would be amazed if you somehow manage to flop 3rd nut flush on a paired board :D

[mustardeggs]

haha buldermar, wd smoking crack again :D

I agree with mlubin, too many turn cards will kill your action or put you in a tough spot. You have pretty much the nuts and you want to get money into the pot now. Without any further reads this is...

[Degen]

LOL mustardeggs hacked my account obv ;)

[mustardeggs]

but he is right, if you flop a flush on a paired board you have to watch out

[Danielle Angel]

:D

[THEnaturalACE]

hard to know, without knowing your position....I'm believer in BETTING YOUR HAND